Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission
Outreach and Education Committee

April 3, 2002

Commission Hearing Room
Texas Parks & Wildlife Department Headquarters Complex
4200 Smith School Road
Austin, TX 78744
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           5            BE IT REMEMBERED, that heretofore on the 3rd day 

           6   of April, 2002, there came to be heard matters under the 

           7   regulatory authority of the Parks and Wildlife Commission of 

           8   Texas, in the Commission Hearing Room of the Texas Parks and 

           9   Wildlife Headquarters Complex, Austin, Texas, beginning at 

          10   3:30 p.m., to wit: 

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          12   APPEARANCES: 

          13   THE PARKS AND WILDLIFE COMMISSION: 

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          15   EDUCATION AND OUTREACH COMMITTEE: 

          16   CHAIR:   Katharine Armstrong Idsal, San Antonio, Texas 
                        Donato D. Ramos, Laredo, Texas 
          17            Philip Montgomery, III, Dallas, Texas 
                        Ernest Angelo, Jr., Midland, Texas 
          18            John Avila, Jr., Fort Worth, Texas 
                        Alvin L. Henry, Houston, Texas, (Absent) 
          19            Mark E. Watson, Jr., San Antonio, Texas 
                        Joseph Fitzsimons, San Antonio, Texas 
          20            Kelly W. Rising, M.D., Beaumont, Texas 

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          23   THE TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE COMMISSION: 
               Robert L. Cook, Executive Director, and other personnel of 
          24   the Parks and Wildlife Department 

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           1                 CHAIRMAN IDSAL:  The next committee is the 

           2  Education and Outreach Committee.  Do we have minutes to 

           3  approve from the last minute.  Mr. Henry is chairman of the 

           4  committee.  Mr. Henry is still ill unfortunately.  So I am 

           5  standing in for him as chairman of this committee.  Do we have 

           6  minutes to approve from the last meeting?   

           7                 Then the first order of business is the 

           8  approval of the committee minutes from the previous meeting.  

           9  Is there a motion for approval?   

          10                 COMMISSIONER RAMOS:  So move. 

          11                 COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY:  Second. 

          12                 CHAIRMAN IDSAL:  Motion by Commissioner Ramos, 

          13  second by Commissioner Montgomery.  All in favor please say 

          14  aye.   

          15                 ("AYE.") 

          16                 CHAIRMAN IDSAL:  Any opposed?  Hearing none, 

          17  motion carries.   

          18                 The next order of business is the Chairman's 

          19  Charges.  Mr. Cook, would you please make your presentation. 

          20                 MR. COOK:  One charge to study and prepare a 

          21  report on all department outreach and education programs.  As 

          22  part or our natural leaders program, a team of employees have 

          23  been assigned the task of evaluating the department outreach 

          24  and education efforts.  Leah Huth who is here today, a member 

          25  of that team will provide you with a status report on that 


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           1  project today. 

           2                 CHAIRMAN IDSAL:  Thank you very much.  Would 

           3  you like to make your presentation?   

           4                 MR. McKINNEY:  Yes, we're ready.  As with -- 

           5  Larry McKinney, Senior Aquatic Resources.  As for Gary, I'm 

           6  filling in for Steve Hall who is at the International caught 

           7  in traffic trying to get back.  So I'm just here for moral 

           8  support.  Leah, her and her team have done the work and I 

           9  greatly appreciate what they've been doing.  And so Leah.   

          10                 MS. HUTH:  Thank you.  My name Leah Huth and 

          11  I'll be providing an overview of the natural leaders team 

          12  project for education and outreach.  This is the second year 

          13  that the natural leaders training program that provides 

          14  training and leadership principles and project coordination.  

          15  The candidates are divided into teams and are assigned a 

          16  project to complete in order to practice the skills that were 

          17  being taught.  This year each team received a project that 

          18  relates to recommendation by the Sunset Committee.  The 

          19  education and outreach team members are Charlie Munger, Inland 

          20  Fisheries; Paul Chaucair, Coastal Fisheries, and myself from 

          21  Park Operations.  Each team receives mentors that guide the 

          22  candidates in order to facilitate the completion of the 

          23  project.  Our mentors are Bobby Faucher, Inland Fisheries and 

          24  Jonathan Gray with law enforcement.  The teams has access to 

          25  project advisors who are currently working with our topics.  


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           1  Our advisors are Cynthia Hancock, Steve Hall and Nancy Herron.  

           2  The project sponsor is Dr. Larry McKinney.  The purpose of our 

           3  natural leaders project to twofold, to develop 

           4  responsibilities and authority for each entity in the 

           5  department that currently supports or conducts education and 

           6  outreach programs, events and activities.  Second, to 

           7  recommend processes for evaluation.  This purpose was 

           8  condensed from Subsection C added by the Sunset Committee and 

           9  it contains four parts.  1) To ensure that education and 

          10  outreach activities are consistent with missions and goals.  

          11  2) Ensure that activities do not duplicate other efforts by 

          12  department or entities.  3) The activities provide a cost 

          13  effective method for reaching participants and 4) The 

          14  activities be effectively measured.   

          15                 To address the first two parts of Subsection C, 

          16  responsibilities will be identified for six entities currently 

          17  involved with education and outreach.  Defining rules will 

          18  provide the ability to meet our mission and goals while 

          19  avoiding duplication and will lend itself to an organizational 

          20  structure that will identify specific channels for reporting 

          21  purposes.   

          22                 In addition to field staff, members of the 

          23  education branch and interdivisional education and outreach 

          24  team are currently conducting education and outreach program, 

          25  events, and activities.  Communication and coordination 


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           1  between these entities is crucial to be able to meet the 

           2  objectives of Subsection C.  Clearly defined rules and 

           3  responsibilities, organization structure and communication 

           4  channels is one of the teams project deliverables.  The second 

           5  deliverable provides the foundation for conducting evaluations 

           6  of education and outreach.  Throughout the department 

           7  symmetrical evaluations and reporting mechanisms can be 

           8  integrated in order to address the third and fourth part of 

           9  Subsection C.  Based on a predetermined schedule, evaluations 

          10  are requested as events and activities are reported.  A 

          11  database will be required in order to facilitate scheduling 

          12  evaluation and for consistent reporting of events and 

          13  activities.  The teams third project deliverable is a sample 

          14  of how a database can be achieved to achieve cost comparisons 

          15  and effective measurements.  The success of any project 

          16  depends on the degree of implementation achieved.  Our forth 

          17  project deliverable will be an implementation plan.  For the 

          18  recommended time line for implementing the project rules and 

          19  responsibilities by September.  Evaluation requirement by 

          20  December and an operating database by March of 2003.   

          21                 Thank you for allowing me to provide an 

          22  overview of the natural leader education and outreach team 

          23  project.  May I answer any questions? 

          24                 COMMISSIONER FITZSIMONS:  Good work. 

          25                 MR. McKINNEY:  This a project that is one of 


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           1  those -- let me start our natural leader program, the project 

           2  that the natural leaders do are always interested but not 

           3  necessarily always directly applicable to what we need to get 

           4  done and we made that change and this is one of the first 

           5  projects that are not -- that's interesting project but it's 

           6  really aimed to give some tools and some and we have to come 

           7  up with and they work with real hard at it in their own 

           8  schedule just continue with it. 

           9                 MR. COOK:  I would like to tell you a little 

          10  more about Leah.  She's our assistance park manager here on 

          11  McKinney Falls State Park that is immediately next door here 

          12  and sometime when you're here and have an hour or so I'd 

          13  encourage you to go over and meet with the folks at the park 

          14  and tour the park.  It is a great park.  It fits this mold 

          15  again that we're talking about of a park in an urban area.  

          16  Leah is characteristic, great representative of the young 

          17  people that we have in our leadership program and it is a 

          18  wonderful program, we're very proud of it and Leah, were proud 

          19  of you.  We thank you for your presentation.   

          20                 MS. HUTH:  Thank you. 

          21                 CHAIRMAN IDSAL:  Is there any other discussion 

          22  from the Commission?  If not this committee is adjourned.  

          23  What do we go to now?   

          24                 MR. COOK:  We're there, I think. 

          25                 CHAIRMAN IDSAL:  Oh boy.   


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           1   THE STATE OF TEXAS )  

           2   COUNTY OF TRAVIS   ) 

           3        I, KIM SEIBERT, a Certified Court Reporter in and for 

           4   the State of Texas, do hereby certify that the above and 

           5   foregoing pages constitute a full, true, and correct 

           6   transcript of the minutes of the Texas Parks and Wildlife 

           7   Commission on April 3, 2002, in the Commission hearing room 

           8   of the Texas Parks and Wildlife Headquarters Complex, Austin, 

           9   Travis County, Texas.   

          10        I FURTHER CERTIFY that a stenographic record was made by 

          11   me at the time of the public meeting and said stenographic 

          12   notes were thereafter reduced to computerized transcription  

          13   under my supervision and control.   

          14        WITNESS MY HAND this ____ day of ____________________, 

          15   2002. 

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                                  KIM SEIBERT, Texas CSR 4589 
          19                      Expiration Date:  12/2002 
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               KATHARINE ARMSTRONG IDSAL, CHAIRMAN 
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               PHILIP MONTGOMERY, III 
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               JOSEPH FITZSIMONS 
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               KELLY W. RISING, M.D.  
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               ERNEST ANGELO, JR. 
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               JOHN AVILA, JR. 
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               ALVIN L. HENRY 
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               DONATO D. RAMOS  
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               MARK E. WATSON, JR. 
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